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Series 3 and 4

Post by Pete M » Thu May 02, 2013 4:07 pm

Hi all.
I apologise for my ramblings first, as I do go on a bit.
When I first heard that Series Three was being made, I was amazed, excited, just couldn't believe it. I know it's a while back now, but managed to convince my beloved Mrs to sit and watch it with me. (She had never seen 1 and 2).
It didn't take long before her interest waned and I began apologizing for making her watch it.
And, to be honest, in my opinion, although there were a few classic dialogue moments, the whole premise of the series was a bit shite. Fake funeral, and a few builders taking down AND rebuilding the transporter bridge. Bit tenuous to be honest.
However, although we never got to see the lads in Russia, to me Series Four was a lot better, back to the basic premise of Brits working abroad and encountering all the anticipated problems, trying to adapt to local customs, language barriers, foreign food and beer etc.
I think a lot of folk, and I am being presuming here, were not very happy in the way the characters changed though.
I know we all grow older (and wiser and mature!!) and everybody does change in thirty years, but there were a few stretches of imagination to take in.
Nev had hardly changed, neither had Dennis or Bomber (apart from becoming weaker), but Mox was a sound scouser in series 1, by 3 and 4 he had become weird and wacky, Barry had become rather pompous and 'middle class'.
I didn't get the point of Wyman to be honest, why not have a 'Wayne' type chip off the old block?
But I think what a lot of folk couldn't stomach was the transformation of Oz.
I read Jimmy Nail's book several times, and although I have never met him or known him, Series 3 and 4 had Jimmy Nail stamped all over them. Oz, became the leading character, the pivot to each storyline, and both series. I am not denigrating his talents, but it wasn't the 'ensemble' piece that 1 and 2 were.
To me, although like I said we all change and grow up, the parallel between Jimmy's own life and Oz's became blurred, and this new 'wise old Oz' just didn't ring true.
However, as do we all, I still love it, those blokes have been part of my life for thirty years, and I don't mean to offend anyone.
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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by Si » Thu May 02, 2013 4:57 pm

Hi Pete.

First of all let me say what an excellent post that was. Proper meat and taters stuff. Something to get your teeth into :)

I remember exactly where I was when I heard about the return of Pet. The local radio station mentioned it as I was driving along Freetown Way in Hull. Yup, it stuck in my mind that much!

So, a year or so later I was living with a mate. I'd just gotten him to watch series 1 which he loved. My sis came round as she's a bit of a fan too. We all settled down to watch Bridging the Gap.

The hairs on my neck stood up as the beat kicked in with the 'aye-er' (Sounds like Jimmy Nail?) voice and seeing the cast names appear. The episode trundled along, but it wasn't series 1 or 2 of course. Then it was the scene with Barry and Tatiana in the bathroom where he taps the 'drugs' onto his finger. To be honest i'd not even given what he was doing a second thought. It's Barry y'know. My mate said, "Ha, Is Barry gonna take drugs too?" and I must say I was all "WHAT?" then I realised he was going to. And he did. I must say, I thought the new series had gone way too far there and then.

After the first ep ended my mate and sis both enjoyed it. More than me. I watched about about 5 times during the next week. And the Barry-drug thing became more acceptable. And y'know, there was a programme about snooker on after that first episode aired. Something about Snooker's rock n roll years, ha. Weird to remember, but it's Pet so there you go.

Anyway, the series continued. And yes, the Auf Pet 'theme' had changed a lot. I mean, people were getting murdered, Nev wanted to shaft a pro, Barry was entangled with a Russian drugs gang etc. Even Mox lost his stutter. Boooo ;)

Then we have Wyman. When I heard Wayne's son would feature, I, like most, thought Christa's child. But we had Wyman instead. I have to say I liked Wyman, but it was jarring having someone so young with those old buggers. I suppose a link to Wayne was needed, but maybe it would've been better with just the old lads? Maybe anyway.

The tale of series 3 started with Jimmy Nail meeting Franc Roddam (I think) and they discussed the idea of bringing the lads back. Soon after, Dick and Ian and the rest of the cast were gathered and so it became. So Mr Nail had input from day one. How much, who knows?

Bringing a TV show back from the dead must be hard. And only in a fan's head would there be the perfect resurrection of their fave TV programme. The writer's have an immense job making an old series new and aiming it at a new audience but trying to keep it faithful to the past. Russel T Davies did this with Doctor Who. And it has to be said, with great success.

I think though that Dick and Ian went a bit too far with trying to distance series 3 from 1 and 2. They kind of flipped everything. Reliable Den was driving a drug dealer round in a taxi, Drunken yob Oz became a tee-total reformed character, boring staid monotonous Barry became a rich, cocaine-at-parties sniffer and monogamous Nev became a middle aged sex beast. Mox and Bomber were pretty much as i'd expect their characters would have evolved.

The word 'auteur' comes to mind. And perhaps that describes Jimmy Nail as well as Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais. During series 2, we all know of Jimmy being awkward and trying to get his own way. So maybe he'd not changed much over the years. I think he had a lot of say in the storyline of series 3 (well we know he did, t'was his and Franc's idea about the bridge) and getting Oz to the front of proceedings. Note the way the credits come on. Each actor gets top billing. In the first ep, Jimmy is last, kind of in a guest star way and in An Inspector Calls, the final ep, Jimmy's name is top of the bill.

Series 3 was I think a bit too much of a change but that was rectified in series 4....

...which was brilliant! I think the writer's reeled themselves in a bit, and the characters became a little bit like those of old. Oz drinking and back in his mankey pants, Nev's libido at manageable levels, Dennis the gaffer getting his woman, Barry truly one of the lads again with no Russians on his case.

Series 4 was much more like series 1 and 2 and was a real welcome return to form for the series. A pity it wasn't the comeback series really.

And why the blumming mouth organ incidental music in series 3? More like Last of the Summer Tyne, man :)
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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Thu May 02, 2013 5:24 pm

Hells Bollocks, heavy posts these lads!

Let me chuck my 2 pence in then.

Series 3 for me, is and always will be like a dream come true. I remember hearing about it coming back on a few years before it did, maybe the papers had nothing to report that week, but it didn't seem solid news, and it wasn't.

Shoot forward a few years, and the picture of the lads back together appears in one of the rags, the one you 'wedge behind the pipe in the bog' that one. The news seemed real, there was a picture and the lads were back! The first thing I thought of was, where are they going to be? Could they be back working on some knackered old mansion in the middle of the UK?

Sadly for me, that wasn't the case.

I then started thinking about how Wayne wouldn't be in it, and would they be replacing him with another actor?

I think I spent about 6 months dreaming about what this series was going to be like, and in all honesty, it turned out nothing like I had imagined. I think I was quite dissapointed when I first heard what they would be doing, and that they wouldn't be doing another series like Series 2.

So Series 3, was something of a dream come true, and a small dissapointment, only because they weren't doing what I wanted them to do.

Looking back now, it has been over 10 years since it aired, and I do think its a great piece of Television, albeit too short in episodes, which many of us have said over and over.

I think I always have to stay neutral on the Forum, and not come over like I'm licking someones, but sometimes I think you just have to be honest.

Bad things about Series 3 for me were,

Not enough episodes
Wayne wasn't there
They weren't doing a story I wanted them to do

Series 4.
A personal favourite, if not a bit too soft on the eye.
When this came out I was living abroad, and it does give me a nice feeling and memories of that time. I think I have watched this series more than 3 or The Special.

I think the storyline works great, and the lads were back on the site building, and not putting up a crane. In his book, Jimmy explains about how finding the OED was a stroke of genius, and that Auf Pet could have ran and ran, because it was such a great way of getting the lads around the world.

Sadly it has now ended and will never return.

I personally feel Sky1 or a similar channel will make a newer version of this in the years to come, and will it be better or on a par, it could be, depends on who is writing.
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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by peng50 » Mon May 06, 2013 11:55 am

For me its like a band you really like bringing out two albums where every track is your favourite... Then they totally change musical direction and it's not the same band you knew and loved.

The biggest disapointment for me from series 3 onwards is what they did to the character of Moxey. They changed him into the 'Trigger' of Pet - where everything he said sounded stupid or made him
look thick. Don't get me wrong, he said some daft things in the 1st two series but at times he was
serious and as already been stated just an ordinary bloke. The chat with Bomber over a pint, The
bit where he cares for Dens welfare... you wouldn't see that in the later series without a triggeresque
type stupid comment and that simply wasn't Moxey.

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Post by Musta bin Elbowed » Mon May 06, 2013 12:05 pm

I also much prefer series 4 to series 3. Series 4 has much more of an Aufpet 'feel' to it, and unlike in series 3 they waste no time in getting the lads out of Britain and into a 'hut' on a building site. Series 3 took way too long to get going, and the whole episode with the illegal workers storyline, the journalist and Mickey Startup all just got in the way of the show I felt. They wasted that episode and should have got the lads out to the US much more quickly, cos once they were out there it started to feel more like Aufpet...... for two-and-a-bit episodes :evil:

I understand why a lot of people were turned off series 4 by the Nev spy plot but I think it added some great drama and tension to the series, I loved the villainous Tarquin, and there was also some great comedy out of it ("...I drank it meself.")

Also, while the spy storyline is a stretch of credibility, the entire premise of series 3 doesnt ring true to me - why didn't the Chocanaws just build another casino on the other side of the river instead of concocting a ludicrously expensive plan to erect a cumbersome bridge that looks like it could only handle a dozen cars every 20 minutes anyway?!!

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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by Musta bin Elbowed » Mon May 06, 2013 1:08 pm

Si wrote:Bringing a TV show back from the dead must be hard. And only in a fan's head would there be the perfect resurrection of their fave TV programme. The writer's have an immense job making an old series new and aiming it at a new audience but trying to keep it faithful to the past. Russel T Davies did this with Doctor Who. And it has to be said, with great success.

Cynthia Cidre has done a similarly brilliant job in reviving Dallas, but the tactic on that one was to introduce a new generation to mix it up with the characters of old. Couldn't really see that working with Aufpet, sadly.

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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by Auf Wiedersehen, Pet » Mon May 06, 2013 1:21 pm

I think a lot of that depends on the actors.
If you have an actor people love and can warm to, it can work.
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Post by peng50 » Mon May 06, 2013 1:39 pm

Auf Wiedersehen, Pet wrote:I think a lot of that depends on the actors.
If you have an actor people love and can warm to, it can work.
And the characters staying the same... One of the reasons new Dallas has worked
is Bobby and JR etc are still the same as they were all those years ago. They modernised
the series by bringing in new younger blood but they left the characters of old alone.
They didn't do a pet and try and transform the older characters into something they once werent... it was a continue where it left off approach, after all those years and therefore people still relate with the characters and of course the people playing them which still
gave it a feeling of Dallas of old... even in a newer modern enviroment

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Post by Tracy » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:15 am

Ive just noticed connections in Series 3, when they all get to Joe's place, see how much Black, Red and Yellow there is in the Indian's native costumes. Could wa na be back in Dusseldorf ! And they end up back in a hut. When the Medicine Man is chanting, hear the "Wye Aye Wye Aye Aye Aye..." The Portland on a Friday night ???
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Re: Series 3 and 4

Post by AlreetPal » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:23 am

Excellent OP to begin with. When I first heard series 3 was being made I couldn't quite believe it, so much excitement at the thought of 6 of the original cast back together. Then when it finally hit the screens I was so disappointed. (Although there were a few fantastic scenes along the way.)

Firstly, I believe these latter series had too many minor characters in them, and most of them were awful. Storylines were just too far-fetched, (Nev a spy, really, and Oz falling in love with ballet was the final straw for me) plus Bomber looking so frail was a sad reflection of what Pat was going through in his personal life.
The first 2 series were never going to be bettered I know, but the later series could have been so much more, They should have stuck with concentrating on the 7, although personally I don't know why Wyman was choosen, surely a son from Christa would have been a better link with the past. He bought nothing to the show whatsoever and was nothing like Wayne.

Anyway, rant over, and I'll stick to continually watching series 1 & 2, real AWP, not this manby panby garbage from the BBC.
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Post by Tracy » Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:26 am

Why man ? Wyman ! I like Wyman, thought he was da Bees knees. Good thing he was nothing like his da. Another Cockney Jack the Lad would have wrecked it for me. This character was just oot there and in there where he could. This red wine is catching up on me, I'll be glad when Ive had enough. Might raid the fridge, 'Huttons !!!'
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Post by Wal-NUFC » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:27 pm

has anyone thought of a series 3 being back in GERMANY?
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Post by Hallwood » Tue Jun 04, 2013 7:33 pm

Wyman probably wouldn't have been much like his old man, seeing as he never knew him.

And I believe that Jimmy Nail insisted that Oz be a reformed character, or else he wouldn't do the show.

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